1. Interviewee "A" by Jonghyun
Interviewee: Subject A/ North Korean Sociology Major Student at SNU
Date and Location of Interview: 26th October 2015/ Habrunch Cafe (Naksungdae Station)
Having conducted the interview regarding North Korean defectors living in South Korea as planned, the following information was gathered:
- The subject is originally from the North Eastern region of North Korea.
- He grew up in a relatively wealthy family environment until his father passed away.
- The subject was fairly studious, achieving top grades at school when is father passed away when he was 14 years of age.
- One year following the death of his father, the subject's mother travelled to China (legally with a North Korean passport which can be attained in return for a substantial amount of money.)
- The subject's mother travelled to China due to poverty, which became inevitable due to the death of her husband, who had been the breadwinner for the household.
- The mother did not return from China (surpassing the 3 months limit of the travel permit) and the subject was harassed by the North Korean police for this reason.
- This was the reason for the subject's defection, and it was achieved through the help of his mother.
- The subject's primary reason for defection was due to his possibility of any promising future being jeprodised as a result of his mother's defection.
- South Korean pavements and roads, the number of vehicles on the roads, the stable electricity and water supplies, colourful clothes people were wearing etc were some of the things that surprised the subject when he came to South Korea.
- But it was the promise of a future and hope of a better future through effort that pleased the subject most regarding South Korea.
- He was not subject to any serious discrimination, and there were some who actively sought to help him adapt to South Korean society. Of course, there also were those who sought to make his life harder, and this was mainly due to the benefits he recieved (which some obviously considered unjust.)
- Interestingly, whilst the subject doesn't regard the North Korean government and nation as his home country, he regards it as his hometown. Also, he continues to regard the North Korean people as his fellow countrymen.
- He does not normally feel the desire to return to North Korea, but if the two nations were to unify he would certainly like to visit his hometown again.
- There is a North Korean community within the SNU and also beyond the school framework. The community involves itself with charity work and church-related activities.
- It is the belief of the subject that close North Korean communities hinder the pace at which these people can adapt to South Korean society; he recommends interacting with South Koreans as the best way to help adapt to this society and culture.
2. Interviewee "B" by Hyung-Cheol
He was born in Ongjin, Hwanhaenamdo, North Korea and had lived in Pyongyang since he was 2 years old. His family defected from North Korea to South Korea. We talked about how he really has lived in South Korea.
(1) Common person like others
As a defector and Seoul National University student, he was not that different. Of course, he risked his life and it was very special experience, but it does not make him different person. When he first came here, South Korea, everything was totally new and marvelous to him. However, he now already adapted himself to new culture and got used to using state-of-the-art devices. Just like me, he would also like to go travel if time and money allow him to do that and he was worried about his future career. He was so busy that he couldn’t participate in defectors community.
(2) Not one of them, one of us
He seemed pretty satisfied with the life in SK, due to freedom and modern conveniences he couldn’t get in NK. Of course, however, he cannot be content with every single aspect of life in SK. He didn’t get any discrimination, fortunately, but he heard that other defectors were discriminated against by the South Korean. In addition to that, there are many defectors who failed to adjust themselves to South Korean life. They are having a hard time to be perfectly harmonized with the South Korean society. And sometimes he do miss friends he used to hang out with in NK.
(3) Fitting in S. Korean standards
He said it was quite hard for him to understand South Korean language, because of vocabularies originated from foreign languages, especially from English. In NK, they barely used loan words and translate almost every single word into North Korean. Unlike SK, North used to teach Russian as the first foreign language when he was young, so it was harder for him. Also because of his accent, it was easy to recognize him as a defector.
3. Interviewee "C" by Sung Jun
Interviewee C is professional counselor for North Korean defectors. He works in the public center for them in Seoul. He is 30’s in his age.
(1) The change in reasons to flee from North Korea
In the past, the economic reason was the main cause. That is, a severe poverty. However, today, there are two other reasons. First of all, political freedom. Lots of Defectors used to be threatened by the authoritarian regime. Second, as the North Korea becomes more stable than the past, lots of defectors seek for more prosperous lives.(not just basic needs)
(2) Stereotypes attached to North Korean defectors
South Koreans usually think of them as people who are in lack of common sense or Knowledge. And also South Koreans regard them as lazy people who just came to here for social assistances. And most of South Koreans don’t wonder why defectors have difficulties in here because they think of them as inpatient.
(3) Specific difficulties in South Korea
First of all, lots of defectors are very sick such as cancer and chronic disease. They are suffering from these diseases before coming here.
Secondly, they are in need of money right now. Many things cost them much such as broker fee.
Third, they have difficultly in communicating with South Koreans. Since they are sometimes too straightforward unlike South Koreans.
(4) Interactions with South Koreans
North Korean defectors usually don’t be reluctant to go along with South Koreans. However, there are a few ways to meet them. Religion gathering or working places are the common meeting place.
(5) Difficulties as professional counselor
Sometimes, it is very hard to make deeper relationship with them. Because they don’t show what they think and feel easily. They are very used to being hide their emotion. If they had been honest, they would have died before coming here.
Secondly, if there is a little conflict or misunderstanding with counselors, North korean defectors sometimes don’t want to talk with them any longer.
(6) Any Last words
It is advisable for South Koreans to give hands to North Korean defectors. It would be very helpful them.
Thank you for giving multiple stories of North Korean defector. At first, I was really surprised at the background information of interviewee A. I am a student of sociology major, which is the same major of that of the interviewee A, but I didn't even think there would be a North Korean defector in our class! Since they have similar looks as ours, I couldn't distinguish them from others so I realized that I need to watch my language. Actually, one of my friends is from North Korea and I couldn't imagine that he is from North Korea, so I thoughtlessly asked him where he is from, which could be quite private and even hurting to North Korean defectors. I need to be more careful about what I'm saying.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your group's endeavor to offer various stories of North Korean defactors, and indeed, these interviews are impressive. I have not known that there is a community of North Korean defactors in SNU. Reading the story of Interviewee A and B, I could hardly imagine how much pain they had to endure to defect from North Korea to South Korea. It was good to hear that interviewee B quite satisfied with his life in South Korea. As one of SNU students, I truly wish that they would fully satisfy with their campus life and also support other defactors. Due to some recent TV programs that highlight the stories of North Korean defactors and introduce their new life in South Korea, I assume that some stereotypes of South Korean people changed. Although interviewee C pointed out that most of South Koreans do not care about the reason why defectors have difficulties in South Korea, I do not agree with him. I believe that more and more South Korean are accepting and embracing defactors. The quality of defactors' life in South Korea will gradually improve.
ReplyDeleteIt was great to read the three interview contents because those 3 stories are different each other, which tells that there are multiple stories in the same group of the North Korean defectors. And especially I have realized that North Korean defectors in SNU might be somewhat different from the other North Korean defectors because those are highly academic people in that group. And as they are students in the SNU campus, they have more opportunities to communicate with South Korean students while the 3rd interview contents tell us that most of the North Korean defecters are reluctant to connect with South Korean people.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the other 2 SNU students say they did not experience any special discrimination but the 3rd interviewee says they don't want to be honestly confess the difficulties they have with South Korean counselors. It makes me curious even if the other 2 SNU students' answers are honest or not.
And I think the two attitudes are both wrong-the one which have general stereotypes for the North Korean defectors differentiating them from the South Korean or the other which consider them just the same as the South Korean disregarding their special reasons for deciding to leave the North Korea and difficult circumstances behind them.
I think you did such a hard interview. Thanks for your effort. Frankly speaking, I have some stereotype that communicating with North Korean Defectors might leads to danger cause SK really hates NK. So, when I heard that 'North Korean Defectors' subject, you might get in some trouble. Actually I'm in a mentoring program, hosted by 'Korean Student Art Foundation(한국장학재단)'. This program is for 'Multicultural children and North Korean Defectors' I'm in Multicultural group, so I never met a North Korean Defectors, but while I mentoring, I heard some information from another mentor in North Korean Defector group that, people have more negative stereotype toward NKD than Multicultural one, because in South Korean mind, NK is enemy, where poverty and communism is overwhelming. And I think your interview shows this stereotype well. Also, the point that NKD might not believe South Korean makes me shame. We are in one country just 65 years ago. So, we are using almost same language and almost looks same. But, the most similar people with us don't believe us. It feels like we have more interest to this matter.
ReplyDeleteIt was interesting to read all the interviews to read about defectors that have a relatively nice life related to stories said on the articles. Thanks to the many stories, now I have to organize my thoughts toward the defectors. Maybe the article reports extreme cases?
ReplyDeleteFrom the interviews, I especially thought it was funny that the counselor said North Koreans are straightforward, and not that honest at the same time. Actually, I had a friend in middle school who was a defector and she was very straightforward, while never said her stories exactly. Maybe this could lead to a new stereotype or maybe this is actually a general personality taught in North Korea.
Anyways, I sort of realized from the set of articles that stereotypes are made very easily and could disappear easily be reading other stories. :) Thank you for the stories!
I heard there are several NKD students in SNU. Because I was curious about them, your interviews were very interesting. Frankly speaking I think I do not have any stereotypes about defectors, because I volunteered for them and met and talked a lot of 'Joseonjok' in China during travel. With those experiences, the thing that I learned was 'sameness', it means they were same with me in that we had similar thinking, saw same Korean program, and worried about future and love. However, I was curious about 'left behind family'. In your interviews, most of those students followed their family after their family go out first. Is there no problem that remaining family? And also, even some NKD have families in North Korea still with maintaining interaction.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you guys have met North Korea defectors studying in SNU. I always assumed that there would be some students from North Korea in SNU, but I've never met or heard or noticed before. And I had never heard of there's a North Korean community in my school. How amazing - maybe it's anonymous and hidden club, right?
ReplyDeleteThe stereotypes that you mentioned in this posting are not that different from mine that I had so far. But it's very happy to heard that interviewee A and B seem doing well in school and South Korea (well adopted themselves again in this society). I wonder how you could find them as interviewees - didn't you have trouble with searching interviewees for your research before?
Anyway, I am expecting the discussion time on this Thursday. Thank you for your posting.
I have two point after reading yours. Not big. Cause I have no experience meeting North Korean, and having thought about them not that much.
ReplyDeleteAt first, in some aspects, your two interviewees are a little similar with ours. They said they have barely been discriminated throughout the their life in SNU. It's interesting.
Secondly, though it is tirvial, I am surprised that their first foriegn language is Russian, not Chinese. Because Russia is capitalism state but China is yet socialism state, I have thought that it must be Chinese they firstly learn.
What was surprising about the interviewees was that they all responded that they have not been treated unfairly because they are North Korean defectors. Because I was involved in a student club that helped out young North Korean defectors, I’ve known quite a lot of people from this minority group. When you talk to them about life in Korea, the first thing that they talk about is how people look at them differently and treat them differently when they realize that they are talking in an unfamiliar accent. That is why many North Korean defectors drop out of regular Korean schools and sometimes feel hatred towards other South Koreans. However, over the course of time, I realized that the reason they were mistreated was not just because they were from North Korea, but because they did not wear good clothes, know about Western culture and stuff. I thought that since both of the interviewees in your research were students of SNU, and might be from a high socio-economic status, they were not treated in the same way as other ‘average’ North Korean defectors.
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DeleteWow how could they enter SNU? Is there any special route for north korean defectors? I really appreciate their effort in studying even though their studying environment might be not good. I haven't seen any North Korean defector so It was quite interesting that there are North Korean defectors in SNU.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your efforts to make such great interviews. Actually I didn't know much about NK defectors but through reading your interview materials, I got to know that they really exist very close to me. And I also learned about their specific difficulties that SK society gives. I strongly think that we SK government really want to save them from the regime to freedom, we should make a new diplomatic action which is very practical and effective. Unfortunately, nowadays SK government nearly does nothing for them. Thanks again!
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